THE RED ROOM

20 October 2026

Beyond the Stage: Burnout, Identity and Building Ella Shaw's Academy

with Ella Shaw — Ella Shaw's Academy

Beyond the Stage: Burnout, Identity and Building Ella Shaw's Academy cover

About this episode

Ella Shaw began singing at 11 after developing alopecia and finding safety on stage. By 16, she had performed at Manchester Arena. At 21, she launched Ella Shaw's Academy as a side hustle to support her singing career. It went on to become her main focus.

In this open conversation with Carla Chatburn, Ella shares the experience behind that shift. She talks about losing her love for singing, scaling after COVID, reinvesting in the business and learning how to lead without losing its values. She also speaks honestly about severe burnout, boundaries, friendships and the challenge of discovering who she is outside work.

They explore why confidence matters for young people, the importance of building the right team and Ella's plans to grow carefully rather than chase expansion for its own sake.

REAL WOMEN. REAL STORIES. REAL CONVERSATIONS.

Experience is the new degree.

Key takeaways

  1. 01Starting before you feel fully ready creates experience that cannot be gained by standing still.
  2. 02Growth needs systems, education and the right team, but it should not cost a business its original values.
  3. 03Busy is not the same as productive. Boundaries and scheduled personal time protect both the founder and the business.
  4. 04Reinvesting for the long term can create greater freedom and choice later.
  5. 05A career may shape your identity, but it does not have to define your whole life.

In their words

but you only know them through experience.
— Ella Shaw
the side hustle became the hustle
— Ella Shaw
I actually don't know it all, and I'm still making mistakes, and I'm still learning
— Ella Shaw
I don't have to do it, I get to choose to do it.
— Ella Shaw
the success of the business was a byproduct of creating something with so much more value first.
— Ella Shaw
the goal isn't to have more money, the goal is to have freedom and to have choice
— Ella Shaw
I'm always busy being busy, and I'm like, am I actually being productive here?
— Ella Shaw
I will literally just keep going until my body says no
— Ella Shaw
you never know who's speaking about you in rooms that you are not in.
— Ella Shaw
you're only as good as your team
— Ella Shaw
being in the room full of people that know more than you is the only way that you are going to grow.
— Ella Shaw
the stage was a safe place for me
— Ella Shaw
we are not our jobs.
— Ella Shaw
more is not always more, and bigger is not always better
— Ella Shaw
One thing about the Red Room is building up that resilience and empowering yourself to drive your own company, which is what the word Red stands for for me.
— Carla Chatburn
you've turned all your positive and negative experience into something to support others.
— Carla Chatburn
wealth that's spent properly can actually do so much more impact than the founder
— Carla Chatburn
surround yourself with smart people, and be the idiot in the room
— Carla Chatburn
Who was Ella before she became Ella Shaw?
— Carla Chatburn
You've made all the mistakes you don't want anybody else to make.
— Carla Chatburn

Clips

The Stage Became a Safe Place

Ella shares how developing alopecia at around 10 or 11 changed her childhood, and how singing gave her somewhere safe to be.

The Side Hustle Became the Hustle

Ella explains why teaching began as a way to fund her singing career, then became more fulfilling than the original dream.

I Kept Going Until My Body Said No

Ella speaks openly about severe burnout and the pattern of working until she could no longer do her job.

Who Is Ella Outside the Business?

Ella discusses therapy, approaching 30 and trying to understand herself beyond being a performer and entrepreneur.

Bigger Is Not Always Better

With a long-standing waiting list and the current venue at capacity, Ella explains why she will not rush the Academy's next stage.